Episode 109: A Recipe for Inspiration: A Look at Lynne Bowman and Brownies for Breakfast

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Welcome heroes and heroines to Episode 109 of Imperfect Heroes - Insights Into Parenting, the perfect podcast for imperfect parents looking to find joy in their experience of raising children in an imperfect world, and I'm your host DJ Stutz.

Get ready to be captivated by our extraordinary guest on Imperfect Heroes. Joining us today is the remarkable Lynne Bowman, a woman of many talents and a delightful sense of humor. From her creative director roles at Silicon Valley companies to collaborating with actress Deidre Hall on two fantastic books. Lynne has left her mark in the world of creativity. She's also recently published her own remarkable book, Brownies for Breakfast, which is filled with delightful recipes, stories, photos, and some valuable insights on just finding the best ingredients. I actually have this book and have used many of the recipes and they are fantastic. I love them. And so to my grandkids when they come over, I can actually get them to eat their vegetables. It's pretty cool. So having conquered realms as diverse as acting, makeup, artistry, screenwriting and legal journalism, Lynne's creativity just knows no bounds. But she also understands the importance of social skills and knowing that proper table manners, carrying on a conversation, and dressing appropriately for the right occasion can make or break important matters in life. She's passionate about teaching these skills to children from a young age Lynne's wit and wisdom have been shared at women's expos nationwide captivating audiences with her expertise. So get ready for a conversation that will inspire, entertain, and enlightened as we talk with Lynne Bowman, an extraordinary imperfect hero. 

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So today, we are talking about a topic that really was so important to me and my family as we grew up number seven kids, five boys, sports everywhere. Very involved. We had a kids do you thing every Thursday afternoon after school. So you can imagine my family was very busy. And yet, we still found time - we ate dinner together. That was just how it worked. My beautiful guest here today is Lynne Bowman and I have her book, I actually purchased it. It is an amazing book. It's called Brownies for Breakfast. Lynne Why don't you talk to us a little bit about that? 

Lynne Bowman  3:41  
Well, I should start by saying that the brownies are great for you. So don't worry. The subtitle of the book is a cookbook for diabetics and the people who love them. But once I got rolling with a book, I realized that it's the way everybody needs to eat. Now, I would love to see everybody eating like a diabetic. Because all that means is whole food, real food based No joke, no crap, and no sugar. Because it turns out that diabetics aren't the only ones who are severely impacted damaged by eating sugar. I just saw a statistic. And I don't know if it's the last year or two up to date, but it's fairly recent. And that is that 60% of the calories that kids are eating in the United States come from soda. So that's an interesting, let that sink in. That's become kind of my mission is to teach just the basics of you know, not every cell and every biomedical thing that but here's the stuff we all need to be doing. And it's simple. It's not complicated, and it doesn't mean giving up the stuff you love to eat. It means discovering some great new stuff, as you already have right? Eat?

DJ Stutz  5:01  
Yeah, yeah. So I actually, when I got this, I was really excited. And I started reading and it's not just recipes, is some great information about nutrition and Whole Foods and all of that. And so I thought, I'm gonna try these brownies. There's no flour in the back off. You've got pumpkin and almond butter and eggs and all these good things. And my husband was very mad. This can't be good. Right? What

Lynne Bowman  5:29  
I say in the book, though, what did I say? I said, Don't tell him before. Yeah, taste it.

DJ Stutz  5:37  
Well, he shops with me. So he had to see all this stuff. Yeah, we always go together. So anyway, he gave it a try. And it's really good. It's lovely. And so I've got grandkids coming next week. And so we're making the cowgirl caviar. And we're gonna make the granola together as well and have some fun with the grandkids and have something healthy for them to have while they're here. So it's going to be just a lot of fun. And then in speaking about food, and good food, and how to get that live, tonight, we're talking, gosh, I just did about a week or so ago. And we were just talking about how we don't sit down to dinner anymore. Or if we do, it's very unorganized. And it's not conducive to those great and important conversations that need to take place that took place as I was growing up. And as I was raising my kids, we sat down to dinner together most of the time once in a while, of course, it doesn't work out. But most of the time we were together. And we were just kind of talking about what are the ramifications of us not sitting down as a family and eating together anymore.

Lynne Bowman  6:49  
And I like to shorten that although you I laugh because you and I were talking and talking and talking. I've got one more talking. But it's what is the real cost of fast food. I think we don't realize what we're giving up when we give up the table. And sitting at the table. I mean, because I love the title imperfect heroes. Because there's one thing you learn when you become a parent, it's to give up the Word Perfect, perfect doesn't have anything to do with anything after you have a baby in your arms. And the more you have, the more imperfect, it gets. Wonderful, but not anybody's idea of perfect. But what you learn at the table in my book is the most important thing to send your kids away with, when that time comes 16 1718 And they're applying for colleges or deciding to go into the service, whatever they're deciding to do, do you really want to send them away not knowing how to be at a table with other people, how to use YouTube, how to have a conversation with anyone how to argue your point, how to present yourself, how to use what's on the table, how to share for the little ones, all that basic stuff. And yet we are sending kids into the service into college into jobs, I wouldn't have believed this. But it's true. Never having used utensils to eat. Wow, it's amazing. They'd grown up eating out of a bag, drinking soda. And the other thing, because our young ones now are even more conscious than we were or are in many cases of the environment and how we're leaving things. And so every time you eat a meal or a fragment, I'm trying to think of you with your seven. Imagine sending seven kids off to have fast food and garbage that is produced from that the plastic waste, the nonsense that comes from that kind of an eating style. Nobody loves a fast meal more than me and I know this probably you because you don't have time to waste on anything. But at the table is I want to argue maybe the most important time you spend with your kids. We also love that one to one time in the car when you just get to have side by side and you get to have that real conversation with maybe that one kid on the rare occasions when you've only got one kid in the car. so valuable. So yes, we have to be in the car with our kids. And that's not wasted. It's okay. But I'm arguing that you need to find some kind of a balance of what's important and what's not. And we're doing there choir and language lessons and music lessons. And if so many friends where it's all about baseball, are all about football. Kind of in the idea I asked

DJ Stutz  9:47  
the ball track, right. Cheerleading

Lynne Bowman  9:51  
right in the idea that there are going to be scholarships maybe at the other end of this and maybe a pro and I want to submit that I think we need to be realistic about what the kids learn from these experiences. And I for 1am not convinced that the baseball field is the ultimate education. I would argue that there's some stuff they're learning on the baseball field that.

DJ Stutz  10:20  
Yeah, well, with all the boys, my brothers, they played little league football, they played little league basketball, I ran track, I was a cheerleader. And yet, even with all that was seven kids, we still ate at the table almost that

Lynne Bowman  10:38  
your parents valued that and they knew they were bringing kids up? Well, as a result, the mom, I

DJ Stutz  10:45  
think she was 11, it became too expensive, really, to go out. And my mom was a great cook, I love to cook. And so maybe that was all part of it, too. But there was such a huge value in the conversations and unlearning a lot of

Lynne Bowman  11:01  
people asked me where my confidence came from, which, you know, makes you kind of go, What do you mean, my, what are you talking about, but to me, equipping a kid with that kind of information goes a long way towards sending them into the world on for that they're not terrorized by an invitation to dinner at the house of the Provost or whatever comes their way a mess, it can be a wide range of things. And you can always fit in to a simpler way of dining and life and so on. And that's okay. But the vocabulary your kids need to know. And a lot of it is just about respect, courtesy, which we were talking earlier, maybe the world could use a little more, a little bit of that.

DJ Stutz  11:52  
I'd vote for

Lynne Bowman  11:53  
that. And courtesy for the tiny ones. I mean, I was just online with my grandson 20 months old this morning, and watching him have his breakfast and go through with his mom, my daughter. thing when you say Please, you must say please, and you must say thank you and the kids, you're not being neglectful or abusive when you insist at your table on respect.

DJ Stutz  12:23  
Yeah, in fact, it's I always thought it was engaging when you would find often it was families of color, or from the South that knew to say Yes, ma'am. No, sir. And stake in

Lynne Bowman  12:36  
respect. But it's true, I think, for everyone, it never, never hurts to be the person who is respectful. And we were talking earlier about dressing, because you have to teach your children how to present themselves to the world. And I think you're often saying to young ones, when because I've done some workshops and stuff with local kids, and what I've said to them as you dress the way you want to be treated, and I found that often got a really positive, it's like, well, yeah, you're dressing to let other people know who you are, and how you want to be treated, which also signals to people that you want to give and get respect, right. And to I've,

DJ Stutz  13:25  
I've been in a situation where I've been on hiring committees for the schools I worked out or I was an administrator. And so I was hiring on different levels. And it was always amazing to me how you could really tell who was taking it seriously, when they came in, they were dressed the part, you could tell that they were using manners. And then there's people like would just come in and slouch. We were hiring for a teacher one time, and this guy came in shorts. And like the cargo kinda is short thing. And

Lynne Bowman  13:57  
that was a good idea. Because

DJ Stutz  14:00  
I don't know that he didn't get the job. And so and, and oftentimes, because it's such a female dominated profession, that when guys come in, they have a step up, because we're always looking to have a few guys on the staff and whatever. But this guy you could just tell and he didn't sit up at all, and he kind of slouch. And so when we're not teaching our kids how to be successful in a conversation, or if someone disagrees with me, I have to ban you. I can't talk to you because you disagree with me when those are the most important people to talk to. I want to hear how you got to the conclusion that you got to I'm not threatened at all by your disagreement. Most of my friends disagree with me and I want it that way. Because I want to be

Lynne Bowman  14:45  
at the table at home. Yes, you learn how to disagree in a civil and productive way. And I'm afraid that if you don't learn it at home at the table, we will teach you what Whereas when do you learn that? And if you haven't learned it by the time you leave the nest, and let's just say 18, you're gonna be in trouble, because that's what goes wrong. Yeah, people who don't understand that you can hold different ideas, different beliefs, and still be loving and respectful and learn from each other and be productive together. And if that is not the main thing, what is I mean, isn't that the most important thing of all, it's more important than how you handle a wrench, or how you think paintings or how you program computers. If you don't have that most basic people skill, which you and I are agree, you learn that at the table with people unless you learn it going out to restaurants to you learn it, watching the way your parents, with people in restaurants, the people who help them the waiters, and so on. Yeah. Which is another thing, DJ that I'm sure you've gone over many, many times with parents, it's not what just say, it's what you do. And never take their beady little eyeballs off of you ever. So you can't ever let up being the example for what you want your kids to become. That's the hard part isn't it is about imperfect. That's the most seeking of perfection that I would recommend to parents is just, golly, be as wonderful as you can possibly be when the stuff is hitting the floor and the stuff is boiling over on the stove and the stove and you're late. If you can demonstrate what you want, you're going to be able to do that's, that's right there. That's it

DJ Stutz  16:51  
right? Well, I think there's a trend to I've noticed a lot of times that you have a little kid and they're done eating, and they just get up and leave. And you're missing out on so much conversation opportunity. And so if your kid wants to go, that's a sign that you're not engaging them in the conversation and wanting to participate. And there are some little tricks that you can use, like there was a author, gosh, probably 20 years ago, I heard him speak, Leo biscotti and he talked about love and reaching out in love. He said one of the things that he learned from his parents, and they were immigrants from Italy. And his mom really struggled with learning the language and all of that. But they had a rule that when you came to the table at night, you had to share one new thing that you learned that day, something you didn't know before. He said there were times when mom's got it on the table like oh, I don't know what I'm going to add, because they were very Italian and dad was the one and they'd be out looking at the encyclopedias. Right. Okay, we look at okay, the population of Naipaul is you can. And so then they'd be at the table and Papa would come and say, Leo, what did you learn new today? And oh, the population of Nepal as data. He didn't think for a minute, because imagine that many people in Nepal, but it started and had conversation, and it would lead them or I've seen families that would say, Give us one happy thing that happened today. And one hard thing. Or yeah, tell me about someone who helped you today and someone you helped today.

Lynne Bowman  18:37  
And think about everything you're teaching, doing that. It's not the fact of the matter. It's organizing the thoughts, presenting your being brief enough with your presentation, engaging people, all that stuff, which is what a career is made up, really. And happily, those kids would leave their family table. Having taken internalized all that you would never have to find that what that means. This is not a sweeping thought. But at my table growing up with two things. One, my mother was an English major. She was a graduate student in English when she married my dad. And so she was brutal when it came to if you use a word incorrectly, or made some other error with your language, you had to go and get the dictionary and bring it back. And I kid you not. Yeah, read and spell so But wait. So then we all learned from the end. Of course, it was kind of fun to you know, we wouldn't end up laughing about it. But we grew up with good language skills as a result. And I don't regret that for a minute. But the thing I didn't even appreciate EJ until much later in my life was the fact that my dad in those days in the 50s Dad was the head The table and he is briefcase and and he had his place at the table at our house and my dad was a marketing consultant. And so he would hold forth. I didn't realize that I was getting a graduate degree in Business and Marketing at my dining table. Yeah, it didn't even occur to me that other people didn't know about ROI. You know, they didn't know about industrial marketing techniques that really white I didn't even know I knew, but I did. And so I keenly appreciate and that really, that came in very handy for me having been the sole source of income for my three little ones on having to make big girl money at some point, which Yeah, but but my dad to great extent for that, my mom for making me a writer who spelled things correctly, and my dad for giving me this background in marketing and love for it. You know, it was it was it, and fun and a challenge. And he was passionate about it. I became the same way that was all learned and had dinner table before we even talk about food. Right? Yeah. But what I'm fond of saying is food is not just food, food is love, and sacrament, and communication and all these things that you learn at the table when you're sharing your food. And, and sometimes you're talking about it, because sometimes you're just eating, but all of the ritual that comes with food, whether you're an Italian family, or an African American family, or Native American family, and we in California are so rich, and having all these cultures brought together. And a lot of the book is sort of fusion. In fact, the recipe that you mentioned, cargo caviar came from one of the ladies who helped me test recipes, and she is from Hispanic family. And so I've benefited from her thoughts and a couple of additions from her including that one because we are accustomed now to that what is it now that it's there's a pejorative that it's called it's borrowing from other cultures in a

DJ Stutz  22:12  
row. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And and that's one thing that I think to appropriation, that's it cultural appropriation. And it's so wonderful thing to appropriate. Ultra

Lynne Bowman  22:29  
High food, Mexican food? Absolutely. A fabulous, yes. We have gained so much by being able to have access to so many of these themes and borrowing the best and taking the best of it. Kitchens. Absolutely.

DJ Stutz  22:47  
Yeah. There's so much our children can learn about bathe at the table. They we can have conversations about politics at the table with our kids. Depends on who's at the table, though. Let's face it. You're the parents and these are the kids, you know,

Lynne Bowman  23:02  
okay, but I'm talking about via vocal Ernie over for some reason. So yeah.

DJ Stutz  23:05  
Oh, then that's just fun to kind of make them crazy. But our big one was Uncle verge. And yeah. Yeah, yeah. But but it was fun watching them like he had such very, I mean, I'm fairly conservative, in my view, but he made me look like you know, a far lefty, you know, and he's passed, God rest his soul. But he leaves just fun to watch and get animated. And none of us felt he was the uncle that you've kind of watched out, because he's the kind that would grab you and be a little rough. Everyone has that uncle, and you love them. We loved him to death. And so he would be very animated. And we just kind of sit back and watch the show, you know, it was my mom's brother. But I think too, as a teacher, I could see kids who were learning about politics, even from their family, where I don't know if it was at the table or whatever. But you would hear them bring up comments about, oh, they hated this president or hated the police. They were afraid of the police or just various social ideas that would come along, and you're there five years old, they're not coming to these conclusions on their own. But these are things that they've heard at home. And so it's just really interesting that so much to pass on. There's so much to converse and include and to talk about and to share about experiences and have the kids share their experiences.

Lynne Bowman  24:29  
And I think I'm all about as you know, health habits. Yes, absolutely. Why it matters, what we eat in so many ways. And these days, especially I would think you would not be able to sit down with food and not somehow refer to well, Uncle Verge is celiac. So no gluten for him. Yes. I love the idea that kids are so much more conscious now and I want to encourage that about where food comes from. What is this food where We're eating. It wasn't that long ago that it was definitely all food that was raised by Uncle verge and dad. But now the situation is so different where we've been eating blind, literally, and we've been eating corporate. Here's where I will sound political, but it's not. It's just the truth of the matter is that most of us are eating to make guys in New Jersey wealthy, we are not eating to make our bodies stronger and healthier. And so that is a revolution. I think it's, I just I hear a lot of good hopeful things coming from the youngest ones, my own young kids and their friends, being conscious of food, because now you can't take on the health of the earth as an issue and global warming and all of that sort of not understand the role that raising food and buying plays. And then when you buy food, when you source food at a grocery store becomes very political very fast. Is this a monopoly? Who are you buying from? And why did you display in front of the store, and then want to grab it? My kids, and I'm obviously this is a passion of mine. But my kids spent a lot of time I mean, we've shopped together a lot because I was a single mom, and there was no, we were asked, and I am not afraid to say sometimes it was at the discount canned goods store at 10 o'clock at night. You've been there, ladies? Yeah, no. Yep. So we talked about it a lot. And I did not know then what I know now about the food industry, big food. And I hope that all of you listening are talking about your kit at the table, like we've been saying, but in the car, wherever it's essential that we take ownership of our food ways, we've just kind of given it away, well, we'll grab this and we'll take some of that. And, and you also notice now because I've suggested it, when you go to the grocery store, when you walk in, there's all kinds of grab and go food in the front door, right by the registers. That's where the money is. There's the bakery, the booze, and the grab and go. And that's all right, and they hope they're gonna get you you're gonna run in, you're gonna grab something from the bakery or the deli. And you're gonna grab some grab and go in plastic, and then you're out the door. And they've made an enormous amount of profit on those items. And of course, you also have created a lot of trash and those items, I just wasted the plastic, but you have not any idea what you're eating. You don't know what's Yeah,

DJ Stutz  27:45  
it's funny, because if anyone's been listening long, you know that I've recently

Lynne Bowman  27:51  
and we hope you have been We hope you have.

DJ Stutz  27:53  
And if you haven't, stay with us. So I just recently moved on to city girl, Los Angeles, Salt Lake, Las Vegas, Denver. And now I'm in a little town of about 255 people. And we're winning miles from the nearest bigger town that actually has a Walmart. I had just yesterday, some of the ladies around said, Oh, new lady, let's go to lunch. And so there were five of us, we all went to lunch together. And it was interesting, because I was asking about farmers markets and all of that. And they said, it's too early things aren't in season. They're growing everything. They're growing the potatoes here and corn, and there's cattle and meat all around. And they were talking yesterday about how they're introducing things into the meat now the mRNA into our meat and the antibiotics and all of these other things. And they said, why would you ever buy that from the store? I'm like, well, so who do I find out about this year? Yeah, not buying it from the store, and they were getting the names. And they'll put your cow and they'll post it on Facebook and you can go in and I'm like holy moly. But it's interesting that even out here in Odense, Idaho, that they are very aware of all of

Lynne Bowman  29:17  
that, you know, it's like mine and yours, where I drive into town. It's about four miles, and I drive by the cattle that will be served up and I almost can call them by name. But we can subscribe to the CSAs the community service agriculture and love doing that because then we're getting the food that was grown right here. And it's one and we have a farmers market in town but not all year round because it's weather. And a thing that you also learn when you really start paying close attention to what you're eating is that there is a huge value in eating in season fruits or example. If you are eating local fruit in season fruit or at least fruit from nearby you are you are eating a much higher quality fruit a totally different nutrition profile than a fruit that got shipped from Chile or something or Cal expo

DJ Stutz  30:15  
or whatever. Right? You're so right, you're so right. And I think with that, that comes with having a garden if you can, and I was just watching the show, it was either HGTV or Magnolia one of those, this lady and she helps people who live in the city in small properties, or even maybe they just have a balcony have a garden,

Lynne Bowman  30:36  
you can do so much. Pots. Absolutely. And it's fun way back to children at the table. People have so often with yours as well, you had to get kids to eat vegetables is grown. But it is it will eat what kids grow. And we'll eat what kids cook. And guess what, then you've got kids who, as you sit around your dinner table at night have helped you set the table, cook the food, grow the food. And by golly, nobody leaves until they've cleaned up. And now, John is you've raised a child who can go and spend a night at anybody's house. And they're the kid that the mom goes, Oh, little Johnny is the most you know, he was so great and polite me, you dishes. And so that's

DJ Stutz  31:27  
when it's been so much fun talking to you. And I know when it's just that we don't have time constraints. We went for almost two hours the other day. Just having fun. Yeah, it was great, though. It was wonderful. I'd like for you to kind of let people know, how did they get a hold of you? How do they find out more about your book, and the services and stuff that you provide?

Lynne Bowman  31:47  
Easy, it's Lynn bowman.com. Just be sure to spell it's LYNNEBOW M A n.com. It's not the most glamorous website you've ever seen, because we ourselves. But there are connections on there to go to the Instagram and YouTube and all the other stuff that I have out there. And to buy the book, I am in the process of recording an audible book. And for anybody who goes Wait, it's a cookbook and there's going to be an audible book. I know I know. But the idea is you can listen and about half the book or a third anyway, the book is stories and conversation, you can listen to it. And I talk the recipes to not all of the intricacies but just a basic idea of what we're talking about. And then you have downloaded it only 999 You can get an e book and you can get the paperback, the hardback is going to become very expensive, unfortunately, and it stood out for a lot of people, myself included. But you can get an e book that has all the recipes in it. And then you can put that thing up in your kitchen on your iPad or your own or whatever. And you've got the recipes. But meanwhile, I've been in your ear as you drove along. So that's the whole idea. I'll have the book out very soon. I don't know when this show is coming out. And I want to

DJ Stutz  33:13  
show to that. I mean, there are stories. And it's like why it's a swell idea to cook and eat this way. Whether you're diabetic or not. I mean, there's commentary or stories, it's not just there's some great recipes in here. I'm not going to put any of that down at all, because I mean smoothies and summer squash casserole and popcorn of the gods. I've got to try it out. But like I said, there's so much more of how to approach food. And it's just fantastic. And so I love that

Lynne Bowman  33:44  
is in the book for things to watch and listen to, you know, to get more information about if you're more interested in and I hope you will, and there are big pictures a very day. And man I say not a single food stylist was harmed in the making of this book. The photographs were taken by me on my stupid little iPhone, because I wanted you to know that your stuff was going to turn out just like my stuff. And yes, I like to stick a flower on a thing or you know, maybe cut it nice, but I don't think it's fair to put out a cookbook that nobody can actually make the thing that looks like that gorgeous thing that you make. Yeah, yeah. So real pictures of real food.

DJ Stutz  34:30  
I love it. I love it. All right. So Lynn, I always end with the same question I asked all my guests, and that is we you know, we know that there's no perfect parent, hence the title of our podcast, but how would you describe maybe a successful parent?

Lynne Bowman  34:45  
You know, that's such a tricky question these days. And I'm saying to people that I am delighted that it's not always been true, but right now at least all of my children are speaking to me voluntarily, rapidly speaking to me, and you parents know what I'm talking about, and especially their adult mine are all in their late 40s or mid to late. So opinions have been expressed, let's say the other thing is that I have no felons in the group, which, and again, and I spent the day yesterday in the county seat of Redwood City at the Board of Supervisors meeting, and I don't mean to be glib about it, because when you face legal problems with your kids, and my first husband spent time behind bars, and which is another view that like, but I don't want to make light of other people's problems with the law, it can be horrible. But so far, that's it's a with my children I haven't had to deal with. And I'm grateful, because that and ill health are two things that just spin out of control really easily. So I'm wishing that for other people. And if you've had the difficulty, I hope you got some good help. Agreed,

DJ Stutz  36:07  
agreed. And thanks so much for spending this time with us. And so for a reminder, for everyone who's watching or listening, be sure to tell a friend about us. And let's expand our family, you can always catch me on Facebook and Instagram. And on both of those sites, if you just find little hearts Academy, or imperfect heroes, I've got pages for each of those. And so it's easy to get a hold of us and, and be part of that community and share your stories and your questions and all of that we're just having such a good time. And I really appreciate you land taking the time from I know you're busy. And so sharing all of this great information.

Lynne Bowman  36:44  
I love that we're virtual grandmas. Don't you love that? Spring Ma, I love it.

DJ Stutz  36:51  
Yes, I don't know how my grandparents did it, because we didn't live by them. But they were still very involved in our lives. But yeah, I'm so grateful for that technology. So honor. Thank you. Thank you. 

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